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Post by lilian on Sept 16, 2007 12:10:41 GMT -5
I have an electrical part near the yoke on my 75 9" rear axle. this is the part in green and red. would someone hemp me identify this part please ?
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Post by hipogranada on Sept 16, 2007 13:23:06 GMT -5
Welcome. We have several others here from Europe and at least one other person in France.
Never saw this before. Guessing that it may be part of the 4 wheel disc setup. Our Versailles owners should be able to shed some light on this.
That housing looks amazingly clean, down to the factory paint daubs from assembly. Is this car that clean underneath?
If you haven't - please submit your car's info and photos to Jeff, moderator of this forum and the site owner of the Registry. It would be great to have your high-option '75 added to the Registry.
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Post by lilian on Sept 16, 2007 13:44:56 GMT -5
the monarch is very rusty and I do not know if it will pass inspection right now. I will post details soon.
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Post by robic58 on Sept 16, 2007 15:55:48 GMT -5
Hi Everyone- First of all , I don't know - my slogan- haven't got a clue... well not quite true. I don't believe it has anything to do with the brakes, but I think it may be an electrically (electronically) controlled lock-up rear end, or an overdrive incorporated in the differential .The second guess likelier in my estimation. I'm really puzzled by the somewhat cylindrical bulge above the U-joint coupling and directly above the red connector in the second picture. There must be some one in our group who'd know of this set up. I've not seen it before. I'm anxious to hear from others. This must be the puzzle of the day. Should generate good discussion. Cheers, Ralph
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Post by Jeff Roblin on Sept 17, 2007 11:49:13 GMT -5
I have an electrical part near the yoke on my 75 9" rear axle. this is the part in green and red. would someone hemp me identify this part please ? I agree with Gary that it must have to do with the 4-wheel disc rear end. I was never really under the '77 Versailles I briefly had. Hopefully James Kaster or one of other Versailles owners can assist because I think this might be a shared feature. By any chance is yours a a Grand Monarch Ghia???
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Post by lilian on Sept 17, 2007 14:31:23 GMT -5
yes i think it is, it has 351w + c4, 2 dr with vynil top and ghia emblems, 4 wheel disc brakes
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Post by jhkaster on Sept 17, 2007 15:37:10 GMT -5
It's a mystery to me. I don't have this on my Versailles and not on the last one either. Both being 1980 models. And, I don't see it in the 1977 Versailles shop manual either.
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Post by robic58 on Sept 17, 2007 21:01:51 GMT -5
Hi Everyone- Well- I'm still stumped- I too looked up all the reference manuals I have- nothing with an electrical socket/terminal at the rear end differential. I've looked up on the Internet, and while it does not really tell me, or you much, I did find a brief passage where reference is made to a "sensor" and wiring harness. This was on the Mustang II org website and I'll quote the pertinent passage.- """ The rear axle is of the banjo housing,hypoid gear-type using an 8, 8 3/4, or 9 inch ring gear, in which the centreline of the pinion is mounted below the centre line of the ring gear. The 9 in ring gear features a single sensor (sure track) system. The Sure track rotor unit is located on the rear axle companion flange,with the sensor mounted in the pinion bearing retainer. The retainer to carrier attaching stud holds the wiring harness bracket."""" Is this the answer, I still don't know. But it occured to me that if Lillian were to post the entire information that appears on the door edge dataplate., one of us genuises might end up figuring it out!!!! ha, ha,ha Cheers everyone, Ralph
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Post by robic58 on Sept 17, 2007 21:16:14 GMT -5
OK everyone- Did Granadas and Monarchs have 4-wheel disc brakes in 1975? ? I thought their introduction was with the 1976 Monarch Grand Monarch Ghia- a four door unit only. Possibly Lillian does not have her original rear end... in the car I mean... Lillian, please tell us all you know about the car's history. Cheers, Ralph
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Post by hipogranada on Sept 17, 2007 22:35:51 GMT -5
The Sure-Track makes sense. I know nothing about it, except that I've seen mention of it. Maybe this item's function is as a speed sensor on the pinion, measuring speed via pinion rpm? Someone mentioned getting the codes from the door data sticker. Very good idea. This seems to be a really high-option Monarch. I'd like to know its DSO, among other things -whether it was originally an export car or was brought to Europe. Hi Everyone- Well- I'm still stumped- I too looked up all the reference manuals I have- nothing with an electrical socket/terminal at the rear end differential. I've looked up on the Internet, and while it does not really tell me, or you much, I did find a brief passage where reference is made to a "sensor" and wiring harness. This was on the Mustang II org website and I'll quote the pertinent passage.- """ The rear axle is of the banjo housing,hypoid gear-type using an 8, 8 3/4, or 9 inch ring gear, in which the centreline of the pinion is mounted below the centre line of the ring gear. The 9 in ring gear features a single sensor (sure track) system. The Sure track rotor unit is located on the rear axle companion flange,with the sensor mounted in the pinion bearing retainer. The retainer to carrier attaching stud holds the wiring harness bracket."""" Is this the answer, I still don't know. But it occured to me that if Lillian were to post the entire information that appears on the door edge dataplate., one of us genuises might end up figuring it out!!!! ha, ha,ha Cheers everyone, Ralph
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Post by lilian on Sept 18, 2007 13:42:49 GMT -5
well, I do not have the original door, I have no wiring that goes to this sensor. I will note all the dats on the axle plate I bought the monarch in switzerland a few years ago mostly as a parts car for my mustangs and I like it and kept it will look at the title if it was registered new in Switzerland thanks all for your efforts
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Post by Jeff Roblin on Sept 18, 2007 14:01:46 GMT -5
According to Ford, the Grand Monarch Ghia was introduced in '76...........but Benjamin Keevil has a '75 Grand Ghia - all original.
I think we need to locate the build sheet on this one.
Lillian - the build sheet will likely be located underneath or behind the rear seat or under the trunk carpet. The buildsheet has all the same (and more) information that was on the original driver's door.
Also, because this is a 2dr, it cannot be a Grand Ghia, just a regular Ghia.
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Post by hipogranada on Sept 18, 2007 22:41:10 GMT -5
Lilian, if the build sheet cannot be found - you can call Ford's customer service and request a "History 999" report. This will give all of the build data on the car as well. They will ask you for the VIN, they can provide the rest of the information. There is no cost for the report, they will mail it to you. The build sheet on my '77 was underneath the passenger seat, tucked up between the seat springs and upholstery. According to Ford, the Grand Monarch Ghia was introduced in '76...........but Benjamin Keevil has a '75 Grand Ghia - all original. I think we need to locate the build sheet on this one. Lillian - the build sheet will likely be located underneath or behind the rear seat or under the trunk carpet. The buildsheet has all the same (and more) information that was on the original driver's door. Also, because this is a 2dr, it cannot be a Grand Ghia, just a regular Ghia.
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Post by bill79 on Sept 20, 2007 16:28:59 GMT -5
Hello everyone, I suspected that mystery electrical connector on that 75 was part of the 'SURE TRACK" braking system. a early example of todays ABS. I CONFIRMED it today,as it IS. Years ago I owned a 1975 MONARCH GHIA 4 DOOR. this back in the 80s and 90s. So I still have a set of SHOP MANUALS for the 1975 -76 Fords. Indeed in the ELECTRICAL MANUAL Vol 2 , There is a section on the Sure track, and the part is a SENSOR ASSEMBLY. This was a OPTION on 1975 1/2 and as far as I remember 76 , GRANADAS /MONARCHS/MARK IV / and fullsize FORD MERCURY CARS. with 4 Wheel discs As it shows in my 1975/1976 Salesmans data product facts books which I have also. Which means When the VERSAILLES came along in 1977 1/2 .the option was discontiued. Which is why our cars DO NOT have this connector. Mystery solved? Bill
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Post by hipogranada on Sept 20, 2007 16:51:42 GMT -5
So this Monarch in France has some rare options. Now I'd really like to see the build sheet! Hello everyone, I suspected that mystery electrical connector on that 75 was part of the 'SURE TRACK" braking system. a early example of todays ABS. I CONFIRMED it today,as it IS. Years ago I owned a 1975 MONARCH GHIA 4 DOOR. this back in the 80s and 90s. So I still have a set of SHOP MANUALS for the 1975 -76 Fords. Indeed in the ELECTRICAL MANUAL Vol 2 , There is a section on the Sure track, and the part is a SENSOR ASSEMBLY. This was a OPTION on 1975 1/2 and as far as I remember 76 , GRANADAS /MONARCHS/MARK IV / and fullsize FORD MERCURY CARS. with 4 Wheel discs As it shows in my 1975/1976 Salesmans data product facts books which I have also. Which means When the VERSAILLES came along in 1977 1/2 .the option was discontiued. Which is why our cars DO NOT have this connector. Mystery solved? Bill
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